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Mr Jazzy · Aug 30, 2005, 12:40 AM // 00:40

want to make warriors kill themself? force them into a decision that wastes battle time? then use my build! i have only used this build in pvp, and with my first try i have won 10 consecutive games(lvl 20 pvp). any suggestions towards improving are welcome.

fast casting 7 (6+1)
domination 13 (11+1+1)
curses 12

Me/N "J A Z Z Y"

Empathy
Diversion
Wastrel's Worry
Spiteful Spirit {E}
Shatter Delusions
Enfeeble
Plague Touch
Hex Breaker/Res Signet

The best way to kill warriors is to let them get close, just so that your main killers, empathy and SS won't be wasted.

Combos: 1. Hex Breaker-->Empathy-->Spiteful Spirit-->Enfeeble-->
2. Diversion-->Wastrel's Worry-->Shatter Delusions (If they didn't use a skill)

Tips:
-If low on energy, don't wait for enough E to cast a spiteful, use an empathy and an enfeeble.
-If you pull off an empathy and a SS on a warrior, enfeeble them and take the hits, then pull off the diversion/WW combo
-While tanking one warrior, use plague touch to send conditions back

dragonsalyer88 · Aug 30, 2005, 12:46 AM // 00:46

i think this builds alright, maybe the diversion/ww combo is weak

Mr Jazzy · Aug 30, 2005, 12:47 AM // 00:47

maybe you can give me a suggestion?

dragonsalyer88 · Aug 30, 2005, 12:48 AM // 00:48

use backfire/ww, i heard that's pretty good....

Eonwe · Aug 30, 2005, 12:51 AM // 00:51

Well I'd say it's good for pissing warriors off... that's about it though.

Hopefully you were also just joking about that backfire/ww combo dragonslayer.

Morganas · Aug 30, 2005, 01:05 AM // 01:05

Enfeeble's great. The monk wastes his time removing conditions, if the warrior even notices at all, unlike most long cooldown blind abilities. I'd say enfeeble and faintheartedness or shadow of fear is all the anti-warrior you'd ever need.

Also, you need energy management. Use your mesmer inspiration line or take offering of blood. Spiteful spirit's ok, but it'll only work on one warrior at a time, whereas the skills I listed above can seriously hinder a team of them.

Diversion doesn't work well on warriors, they can afford to not use skills for 6 seconds unlike monks, or eles who's attempts at spiking can be delayed immediately or during the next round. Chances are good you'll catch him while he's building adrenaline anyways.

dragonsalyer88 · Aug 30, 2005, 01:33 AM // 01:33

what..backfire/ww isnt good??? why not?

Mr Jazzy · Aug 30, 2005, 01:36 AM // 01:36

ya i understand that warriors may choose not to use skills...but thats what wastrels worry is for. it packs 50 something damage and then i shatter delusions the diversion to deliver around 110 dmg..

Red Locust · Aug 30, 2005, 01:56 AM // 01:56

The more effective, more reliable anti-warrior build:
guardian
aegis
ward against melee.

Those 3 on an el/mo and you never have to worry about warriors.

ElderAtronach · Aug 30, 2005, 02:06 AM // 02:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragonsalyer88

what..backfire/ww isnt good??? why not?

1. Backfire lasts 10 seconds
2. Every spell has a .75 second aftercast
3. WW doesn't do dmg until 3 seconds is over
4. Assuming 7 or 8 in fast cast, WW goes down to .18 seconds casting

Let's do the math

.75 after backfire + (.18 WW + 3 for WW to end) x 3 = 10.29 seconds, so they can safely use a spell right after backfire wears off (so the 3rd WW does nothing). You've effectively done 106+ damage over 10 seconds using 25 energy, or 4.24 dmg/energy.

Even if you use shatter delusions on WW...

.75 after backfire + (.18 WW + .75 aftercast + .18 shatter + .75 aftercast) x 5 = 10.05 seconds, and you've done 315+ damage over 10 seconds using 65 energy, or ~4.85 dmg/energy.

Efficient? Hell no.

Tuna · Aug 30, 2005, 02:23 AM // 02:23

Wait, are we talking about backfire in a anti-warrior thread? Honestly, in 4v4 RA arena empathy is usually enough to keep a warrior from attacking or let him kill himself.

Eonwe · Aug 30, 2005, 02:46 AM // 02:46

Actually I was refering to the fact that if you stack WW on top of Backfire, and the monk uses any type of hex removal on himself, he's going to effectively remove backfire from himself without taking any damage.

ElderAtronach · Aug 30, 2005, 02:48 AM // 02:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eonwe

Actually I was refering to the fact that if you stack WW on top of Backfire, and the monk uses any type of hex removal on himself, he's going to effectively remove backfire from himself without taking any damage.

You mean besides the first 100 whatever damage from casting a spell (hex remover) through backfire? After that yeah, backfire would have been removed anyhow.

Eonwe · Aug 30, 2005, 02:53 AM // 02:53

Yea, kind of what I meant. Worded it a little weird.

film · Aug 30, 2005, 02:57 AM // 02:57

Anyone ever try empathy/insideousparasite/spitefullspirit all on one warrior? We're talking 60 dmg a swing here, add in a clumsyness once in awhile... owie. Of course this would be silly to waste on one warrior and to have 4 out of 8 skills to be anti warrior wouldn't be smart when the monk can just heal him. Might be fun to try though :P

QuixotesGhost · Aug 30, 2005, 03:14 AM // 03:14

I perfer spells that shutdown a warriors offensive power (so he can be ignored and saved till last) than those that punish a warrior with damage for attacking. I believe skills like signet of midnight, sympathetic visage, enfeeble, shadow of fear, are a better way to handle warriors then empathy, spiteful spirit, and clumsiness.

Darc.Syde · Aug 30, 2005, 03:19 AM // 03:19

here's my anti warrior combo:

W, A, S, and D

ElderAtronach · Aug 30, 2005, 03:31 AM // 03:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darc.Syde

here's my anti warrior combo:

W, A, S, and D

LMAO!

Bast · Aug 30, 2005, 03:47 AM // 03:47

I'm speechless.